Comments on: The Tanka of Eishin-ryu: Part Five – Oroshi http://kenshi247.net/blog/2010/01/25/the-tanka-of-eishin-ryu-part-five-oroshi/ - Kendo related news, discussion, and media - Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:55:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Richard Stonell http://kenshi247.net/blog/2010/01/25/the-tanka-of-eishin-ryu-part-five-oroshi/comment-page-1/#comment-1831 Richard Stonell Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:46:03 +0000 http://kenshi247.net/blog/?p=2932#comment-1831 I have seen three or four variations on some of these tanka, mostly from different Jikiden sensei. The variations are usually only very slight and the tanka keep almost exactly the same imagery and feeling. There may be slight shifts in emphasis but overall they are very similar. These tanka were written long before Shinden was formally established and quite possibly before the Tanimura-ha and Shimomura-ha split. I don't know for sure when they were written though. I can't say exactly why the variations exist but seems plausible that the tanka were originally an oral tradition. Despite variations, the fact that the tanka keep the same key points seems to reflect how the tatehiza no bu waza maintain the same key points between Shinden and all the various branches of Jikiden. I have seen three or four variations on some of these tanka, mostly from different Jikiden sensei. The variations are usually only very slight and the tanka keep almost exactly the same imagery and feeling. There may be slight shifts in emphasis but overall they are very similar.

These tanka were written long before Shinden was formally established and quite possibly before the Tanimura-ha and Shimomura-ha split. I don’t know for sure when they were written though. I can’t say exactly why the variations exist but seems plausible that the tanka were originally an oral tradition.

Despite variations, the fact that the tanka keep the same key points seems to reflect how the tatehiza no bu waza maintain the same key points between Shinden and all the various branches of Jikiden.

]]> By: Paul Shin http://kenshi247.net/blog/2010/01/25/the-tanka-of-eishin-ryu-part-five-oroshi/comment-page-1/#comment-1830 Paul Shin Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:04:18 +0000 http://kenshi247.net/blog/?p=2932#comment-1830 Well done again, Richard. I'm learning quite a bit from these translations. In your first installment of this series, you mentioned that there are variations of these tanka. Do you find that the typical ones between MJER and MSR differ substantially, particularly when the specifics of the kata diverge a little bit between the two as in oroshi? (As opposed to a kata like Yokogumo, which is much more similar between MJER and MSR.) Any thoughts about whether the tanka have played a role in keeping MSR and MJER (or perhaps Shimomura-ha and Tanimura-ha) from diverging too much by keeping the "feeling" of the kata basically unified between the two, even though the technical specifics may be different? Well done again, Richard. I’m learning quite a bit from these translations.

In your first installment of this series, you mentioned that there are variations of these tanka. Do you find that the typical ones between MJER and MSR differ substantially, particularly when the specifics of the kata diverge a little bit between the two as in oroshi? (As opposed to a kata like Yokogumo, which is much more similar between MJER and MSR.)

Any thoughts about whether the tanka have played a role in keeping MSR and MJER (or perhaps Shimomura-ha and Tanimura-ha) from diverging too much by keeping the “feeling” of the kata basically unified between the two, even though the technical specifics may be different?

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